Feweh - Pinning me down for extended time

[outordinary]

Your Byond Key/Character name: outordinary/Chad Elderson

Their Byond key: Feweh

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): Mar 24th, 2016 16:33

Which Admin Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: Protocol 1 and 3 blatantly broken, two also depending on how you look at it.

Description of the incident: Playing as a crusher and as one of the two xenos left in the round, the other being a rav. Rav is out fighting Che style while I'm in the hive not fighting in the open. about three or four marines came to the hive, doing usual tackle hug cut foot so they don't all jump up and rush me down. Not trying to kill anyone and didn't kill anyone infected as in hugger fallen off infected. I tackle what I could to an available nest. More come to assault and I tackle hug hobble when I get put to sleep by Feweh. He waits about 11 real time seconds before saying anything meanwhile im speaking in Looc "what the heck" "hello". He tells me about killing/harming infected peeps which some of the infected were still heavily armed while the approaching marines are unharmed and ready to attack. I respond telling him "Ok I wont". Meanwhile he feels the need to keep me down for about a minute while more marines shot their way into the hive and shoot me dead. I understand stopping me and saying something, but don't keep me down while the round is still progressing. Feweh basically kept me down to tell marines, "Here you go, shoot em full of holes, ill keep him down" possibly to satiate the ahelp from other dead marines watching everything I do for me to slip up and then Feweh could stop me long enough to get murdered. The keeping me down is an example of Protocol 1 broken, he could have downed me, told me "knock it off or next time i see that shit, im kicking/banning you" and let me up so round could continue, instead he kept me down hoping for the marines to finish me off then to elicit salt and make it sting more, said "your death was unfortunately your fault because i had to stop you". Protocol 3 because everyone loves a good last stand fight, downing me to die isn't enjoyed and spectators are probably wondering what the hell happened to their robust warrior. Not to mention unlike the rav who later ravaged the marine side, I at least tried to get people back into the game and did even if they died to the other marines invading. Protocol 2 I say because holding me down for such a time while I go from full health to dead is not the way to handle that situation.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): http://imgur.com/a/7grZm : For the images
Logs can be found by searching though around the time and date.

How you would punish the accused: Counsel him to have better procedures for ahelps maybe and advise him to reread the rules, I can't come up with a punishment as I don't hold the stick for that.

[tuzz]

The only rule against harming infected hosts is if they are nested. What you were doing should have been fine, especially if there was no queen.

[outordinary]

Thanks for pointing that out, you are 100% correct, the hosts attacking me were far from defenseless and were not nested, they were already up from hugger stun and I had no intention of killing them since we had eggs left. If anything I would get them in paincrit so I can nest them and they can get inaprovaline dosage to keep em from dying but down so they can't shoot me in the back. Again I believe I was just put to sleep so I could be killed.

[Feweh]

Ill respond to this tomorrow when I have access to my laptop.

[Feweh]

This is the rule you broke.
Do not Kill infected hosts (once they have the icon) if they are defenseless or nested (Killing a nested host at ANY TIME is a bannable offense, and don't un-nest just to kill). It's counter-productive to your cause of spreading. If a marine escapes the nest and uses a weapon to resist, THEN you may kill them, but you should try to tackle and nest them.

2 Players including your previous Queen (Gelonvia) Ahelped that you were harming infected marines who at the time were un-conscious and un-armed which I observed this behavior as I jumped to you. On my initial viewing you WERE attacking a ARMED and infected marine (which was fine) with the Ravager, I waited for the Ravager to subdue the marine and THEN slept you to warn you of your rule-breaking.

My reasons for sleeping you were simple.
You broke a rule which needed be addressed instantly.
I couldn't revive or heal any of the marines AS the Ravager was right beside you and could of been harmed due to them arming themselves after me healing them.

You yourself ACKNOWLEDGED the rule break and even said OK, I won't do it again. To which I sent another reply and then un-slept you once I said what was needed.
Unfortunately as I was writing two marines had moved in and started attacking you as you were just getting up. These marines WHERE NOT present when I initially slept you and had only come into the picture later. I in no way intentionally wanted you to die or even cared really.

You were killed due to your rule-breaking. What you were doing was technically a bannable offense, I warned you not to harm infected host and slept you to stop any issues with the Ravager and other marines suffering further wounding. Being one of the last aliens alive does not exclude you from the rules or procedures we take. If you break a server rule and our actions we take to discipline you cause your death it's YOUR FAULT.

Point being, all you were given was a warning which resulted in the unfortunate death of your alien character.
Furthermore, we have logs that will show my sleeping in-sync with what I've said. Once you replied and I finished warning you I un-slept you. Numerous other staff were on at the time including our server host APOP who saw everything transpire. Logically I would never intentionally do harm to a player especially when the server host is online reading and witnessing everything that was transpiring.

[outordinary]

Where are the logs at? I want to see who I attacked that was defenseless, the ones coming to hunt us down were armed to the teeth. If anything, after hugging them I went to chop a foot off then nest so they won't die. Also you have an amount of time after hugging them where you can lop a foot off.

[Feweh]

Where are the logs at? I want to see who I attacked that was defenseless, the ones coming to hunt us down were armed to the teeth. If anything, after hugging them I went to chop a foot off then nest so they won't die. Also you have an amount of time after hugging them where you can lop a foot off.

Exactly what you said right there is a prime reason you were only WARNED.

[outordinary]

Because I didn't kill anyone but gave em a few slashes? From what I have heard from jones, because peeps aren't infected till the hugger falls off, they are fair game until then which makes perfect sense.

[Allan1234]

After extensive log diveing and verification with multiple other staff members I have conceded that this complaint is 100% valid.

After extensive investigation onto the matter It has been revealed that outordinary (as crusher 982) had not attacked a single marine in over 20 minautes before the first ahelp against was made showcased by the logs below.

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[16:05:42]ATTACK: Outordinary/(Crusher (986)) attacked Joster 13/(Bruce Rose) with alien (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)

----His only attack log over 20 minautes before hand----

ATTACK: Crusher (986) (outordinary) was hit by a the incendiary grenade, thrown by Trip Treeby (kilm) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=94;Y=147;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:27:42]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=101;Y=146;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:27:43]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=102;Y=146;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:27:44]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Trip Treeby (kilm) with a the rifle bullet (<A 
HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=102;Y=146;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:27:57]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=100;Y=146;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:28:33]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle 
bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=102;Y=148;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:28:35]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=105;Y=148;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:28:36]ATTACK: Xywenx/(Agu Attah) attacked Outordinary/(Crusher (986)) with M2132 Machete (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[16:28:37]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=105;Y=148;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:29:43]ADMIN: HELP: Owenthebestjedi/(Steve Grant): Crusher 986 is slashing infected before they could even fight back as infected - heard by 6 non-AFK admins.

[16:29:52]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=88;Y=154;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:29:53]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=88;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:29:53]ADMIN: HELP: Gelonvia/(Casca 'Legs' Orivanna): Crusher 986 is killing two infected heard by 6 non-AFK admins.

as showcased by the logs above it is quite the opposite. Outordinary had not attacked a single marine but instead was being attacked by other marines (I cannot confirm if they were infected or not) up to the point of the first and second ahelps about him attacking infected which, again showcased by the logs, were compleate bullshit.

Now again, as showcased above, Outordinary had not broken any rules and the ahelps where not investigated properly before the staff member in question (feweh) improperly took action and caused your death. Now normally this can be explained away as he had too much to handle due to high server population but there where 6 other staff members online which brings into question why the situation was not investigated before action was taken.

Another issue croping up is that the staff member in question (feweh) had slept Outordinary in the middle of combat, showcased by these logs below.

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[16:30:05]ADMIN: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks) used Toggle Sleeping on Outordinary/(Crusher (986)).
[16:30:11]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:11]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:12]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:13]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Ravager (673) (szotu) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:14]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:15]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:16]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:16]SAY: Michael Carrio/CannotContainThisAwesomeness : What should i do to help?
[16:30:16]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Ravager (673) (szotu) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:16]OOC: (LOCAL) Crusher (986)/Outordinary : wait what
[16:30:24]OOC: (LOCAL) Crusher (986)/Outordinary : hello
[16:30:26]ADMIN: PM: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks)->Outordinary/(Crusher (986)): You cannot continue harming infected players, especially when theyre downhave lost
[16:30:39]OOC: (LOCAL) Crusher (986)/Outordinary : ok
[16:30:40]ADMIN: PM: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks)->Outordinary/(Crusher (986)): Youre killing way too many of them currently
[16:30:43]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): ok
[16:30:45]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the shotgun slug (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=88;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:45]SAY: Katsuki Synth/KatsukiPR : Yes
[16:30:46]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:46]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): let me go
[16:30:46]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:46]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Agu Attah (xywenx) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:47]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:47]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:47]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Agu Attah (xywenx) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:48]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=149;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:48]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=90;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:49]ADMIN: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks) used Toggle Sleeping on Outordinary/(Crusher (986)).
[16:30:49]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:49]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:49]ATTACK: Agu Attah (xywenx) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the shotgun slug (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=88;Y=153;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:50]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:50]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:51]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the riflebullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:51]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the riflebullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:52]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the riflebullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=150;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:52]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=151;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:53]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=151;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:53]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=151;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:30:54]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=151;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:31:02]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): hold up
[16:31:02]SAY: Erick Styles/Destroyer2100 : We will kill them with hot lead and nothing else
[16:31:11]ADMIN: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks) has edited outordinary's notes.
[16:31:12]SAY: Emma Pulse/666K : If it would stop tackling me.
[16:31:13]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): i understand stopping me and counseling me
[16:31:32]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): Thats an abuse of power
[16:31:37]ADMIN: PM: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks)->Outordinary/(Crusher (986)): You broke server rules, your death was unfortunately your fault because i had to stop you
[16:31:54]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): I said ok, and was preparing to say i wont
[16:32:08]ADMIN: PM: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks)->Outordinary/(Crusher (986)): had you not*
[16:32:44]ADMIN: PM: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks)->Outordinary/(Crusher (986)): So were the players you where killing.
[16:32:50]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): You pretty much kept in down in hopes i would die from approaching players
[16:33:13]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): I would have even prefered you revived if someone died from my slashing
[16:33:14]ADMIN: PM: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks)->Outordinary/(Crusher (986)): I kept you down to stop you from breaking rules. This isnt up for discussion anymore, you broke the rules.

As showcased above feweh had slept you six seconds before being attacked by the same player that was attacking you 12 seconds before being slept. Now altought this techniclly isn't combat I doubt that feweh would have missed the player with a gun litterly 6 seconds away from you. Now again as showcased above feweh also kept you slept the entire time you were being attacked were he had more then enough chances to unsleep you altought it does make sense that he did not as he was operateing under the assumption that you had broken rules.

After looking at all of this together and verfying the logs and information with fellow staff members I have conceded this report to be legitment, however on that note this does NOT inculde abuse of power as from what I can tell CoC-1 (do not abuse your power) and protocol 3 (Determine the seriousness of the issue) were not broken, however protocols 1 and 2 were. Protocol 1 was broken by feweh not opening up the PM with an explanation rather instead just sleeping and telling you not to break a rule that you had not yet broken. (this merges with protocol 2) As for protocol 2 feweh did not properly investigate the sitation before acting on two false ahelps, altought this is understandable as two ahelps in a short period over a single issue is automaticlly taken as a serious issue and acted on before any more damage can be caused however feweh had still not properly investigated after taking action showcased by him adding a note about the stituation afterwords and holding onto the incorrect assumption that you had broken a rule.

Altought you should not have attempted to call him out on it in-game breaking rule 3 you are 100% in the right for this complaint. Feweh had not investigated the situation properly and did not handle the situation properly.

Regardless of all of this I do not believe that any punishment should be giving to the staff member in question as we all make mistakes and this is the first mistake he has made in a long time.

[outordinary]

After extensive log diveing and verification with multiple other staff members I have conceded that this complaint is 100% valid.

After extensive investigation onto the matter It has been revealed that outordinary (as crusher 982) had not attacked a single marine in over 20 minautes before the first ahelp against was made showcased by the logs below.

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[16:29:43]ADMIN: HELP: Owenthebestjedi/[b](Steve Grant)[/b]: Crusher 986 is slashing infected before they could even fight back as infected - heard by 6 non-AFK admins.
[16:29:53]ADMIN: HELP: Gelonvia/[b](Casca 'Legs' Orivanna)[/b]: Crusher 986 is killing two infected heard by 6 non-AFK admins.
[16:30:54]ATTACK: Trip Treeby (kilm) shot Crusher (986) (outordinary) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=89;Y=151;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[16:31:02]ADMIN: PM: Outordinary/(Crusher (986))->Feweh/(Lucius Pinks): hold up
[16:31:02]SAY: Erick Styles/Destroyer2100 : We will kill them with hot lead and nothing else
[16:31:11]ADMIN: Feweh/(Lucius Pinks) has edited outordinary's notes.

Another issue croping up is that the staff member in question (feweh) had slept Outordinary in the middle of combat, showcased by these logs below.

As showcased above feweh had slept you six seconds before being attacked by the same player that was attacking you 12 seconds before being slept. Now altought this techniclly isn't combat I doubt that feweh would have missed the player with a gun litterly 6 seconds away from you. Now again as showcased above feweh also kept you slept the entire time you were being attacked were he had more then enough chances to unsleep you altought it does make sense that he did not as he was operateing under the assumption that you had broken rules.

After looking at all of this together and verfying the logs and information with fellow staff members I have conceded this report to be legitment, however on that note this does NOT inculde abuse of power as from what I can tell CoC-1 (do not abuse your power) and protocol 3 (Determine the seriousness of the issue) were not broken, however protocols 1 and 2 were. Protocol 1 was broken by feweh not opening up the PM with an explanation rather instead just sleeping and telling you not to break a rule that you had not yet broken. (this merges with protocol 2) As for protocol 2 feweh did not properly investigate the sitation before acting on two false ahelps, altought this is understandable as two ahelps in a short period over a single issue is automaticlly taken as a serious issue and acted on before any more damage can be caused however feweh had still not properly investigated after taking action showcased by him adding a note about the stituation afterwords and holding onto the incorrect assumption that you had broken a rule.

Altought you should not have attempted to call him out on it in-game breaking rule 3 you are 100% in the right for this complaint. Feweh had not investigated the situation properly and did not handle the situation properly.

Regardless of all of this I do not believe that any punishment should be giving to the staff member in question as we all make mistakes and this is the first mistake he has made in a long time.

Thank you Allan, I agree with what you said, calling him out on that time was due to a few things, still had an adrenaline rush from the combat and also a little moved that I was put to sleep in combat with no warning. There was no boink to let me know something was up, for a second I didn't know what the hell was going on.

As for the two ahelps in a short amount of time, as you said this should have been investigated more before action was taken, with 6 staff members on there should not be a problem with this. The main point of the round was two aliens and the rest of the marines. So not too much going on. Also, not trying to say anything, but the two who ahelped I know as two mainly marine players. Could it be they saw me slashing a newly hugged marine and went straight to ahelps? As the second to last alien, I'm sure MANY were observing me. Those two may have been killed earlier and had a bone to pick.

At this point, this is just a good example of what not to do for feweh, so that in itself makes it so no punishment is needed. Rather I would like for the note that he promptly made for me to be removed. I had no intention in breaking the rules as I'm a pretty fair player.

[Feweh]

Ya sorry about this, I thought I witnessed you actually harming those marines. I guess it was actually a disarm intent in the end.

As I said, I only slept you and let you remain dead because I was under the impression you had actually broken the rules.

My apologies

[Allan1234]

Since this is over a week old with no head input im just going to go ahead and close this until a head can get around to resolveing

[SASoperative]

Just... I will talk to Feweh about it and we will see where it goes. Resolved and moved