Complaint against 2 members of ERT

[Fitchace]

Your Byond Key: Fitchace

Your Character Name: Bill Carson

Accused Byond Key(if known):

Character Name: Darrel and another member of the Dutches Dozen ERT

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 4:25

What rule(s) were broken: Griefing

Description of the incident:

Myself and all members of the Dutches Dozen ERT head down on the pod to the planet. About 4 minutes into the search we shoot at some aliens that start to harass us. During the attacks one member of the Dutches Dozen is wounded by friendly fire by another member of the ERT. About a few seconds later a runner jumps out in front of another member and I engage, shooting my target and hitting the team member as well ( I was not using AP ammo). After, we all head into telecoms and at that point 2 of the members randomly shot and killed me, I did not shoot back. (The other member of ERT was not team killed for his friendly fire if you were wondering) I assume that the reason was for my accidental friendly fire. The Trial Moderater who's name I cannot remember resolved the issue at super speed saying this was an IC issue, justifying their act to kill me so swiftly.


1. I did not fight back because I thought this random act of killing was a perfect example of griefing and I would receive a revive.
2. So coming away from this, I find that it is now an acceptable practice to shoot and kill other people if you think you were wounded by them.
3. And since when is Dutches Dozen allowed to kill other marines? If there was an actual problem with a marine shooting at the Dutches Dozen Team, he should Ahelp about that.
Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

How you would punish the accused: Job Ban from ERT, also a review of why the trial moderator made the decision.

[forwardslashN]

I was a member of the ERT that was involved in this. We were sent on a mission to hunt down the two predators on the surface, and Carson was on the shuttle. We dropped down, and I don't remember exactly what happened but we went a little north west of telecomms to decide where to go. We saw some xenomorphs and stood by. I believe another ERT member was wounded, so I got out a medkit I had and attempted to treat him. To get the medkit out I dropped my grenade launcher on the floor. A runner ran in and ran off, I moved and was hit twice by the person standing nearby putting me into crit, and I believe another ERT member that I was next to was hit as well. The shooter immediately ran up and began dragging my grenade launcher away and into telecomms, and I took this as them trying to loot me after almost killing me. I had no idea it was Carson, and as I made my way to tcomms I and another ERT guy basically unloaded on him thinking that he was griefing. I checked my variables after all of this took place, and I was shot at first by Carson. I later died of my wounds while on the way to the Sulaco.

While I regret this took place, but based on what was happening at the time, I acted IC that someone went hostile on us on purpose and that's the way I went about it. I would have let it go as friendly fire, but Carson took the grenade launcher for some reason and ran off with it. I was fighting the predator at the time, so I don't know what actions were taken to have the situation resolved.

[Fitchace]

I never picked up your weapon, I just dragged it into Tcomms so it wouldn't get lost out in the field. Even then why would you even shoot at me because I was griefing? As a staff member you should understand to Ahelp if anything, why would you think shooting me would be acceptable as a non hostile ERT.

So basically you took this as an IC issue and killed me wordlessly,and to justify this IC kill you say I was possibly griefing.

[Varnock]

What I'm getting from reading this is that you took the weapon inside, but not the downed marine, right?

Well I'll be honest man, I'd have probably shot at you too after that. If Blackpool ever got shot by someone and they drug his gun off instead of him, he'd be livid when he got up. I'm only seeing IC issues here, myself.

[forwardslashN]

I never picked up your weapon, I just dragged it into Tcomms so it wouldn't get lost out in the field. Even then why would you even shoot at me because I was griefing? As a staff member you should understand to Ahelp if anything, why would you think shooting me would be acceptable as a non hostile ERT.

So basically you took this as an IC issue and killed me wordlessly,and to justify this IC kill you say I was possibly griefing.

You wordlessly shot me and ran away with a grenade launcher. Not to mention your first instinct was to grab the specialist weapon instead of saying you misfired or something. Or maybe trying to help. If you did say something like that, I apologize in advance. The fact of the matter is, I had IC justification for what I did and I have explained it. What IC justification did you have for dragging the grenade launcher when the entire Dutch's Dozen was standing around?

I know the rules, and I know that not ahelping grief just means I forgo all rights to a revive or adminheal if I shoot back. I was fine with that at the time, and proceeded as described above. Not to mention I died later because of the wounds I sustained.

[Fitchace]

I literally dragged the GL into Tcomms, didn't pick it up. It was in the open for them all to see and pick up whenever they wanted I had no intention of using it. Its not like I ran off to another part of the map with the weapon and they found me. Isn't there rules on proper escalation? I'm pretty sure killing the person for taking your weapon is not an acceptable practice.

[Varnock]

I literally dragged the GL into Tcomms, didn't pick it up. It was in the open for them all to see and pick up whenever they wanted I had no intention of using it. Its not like I ran off to another part of the map with the weapon and they found me. Isn't there rules on proper escalation? I'm pretty sure killing the person for taking your weapon is not an acceptable practice.

It's more the fact you shot them COMBINED with that, I think. Let me go get some logs since this seems to be something only hard evidence will solve.

Please wait warmly.

[Fitchace]

Noize it was friendly fire, you had a runner in front of you and a bullet hit you accidentally. Anyone could see that. You had no IC reason to murder someone for standing next to a weapon that is yours who YOU assuming is stealing it without speaking to the person.

[forwardslashN]

Noize it was friendly fire, you had a runner in front of you and a bullet hit you accidentally. Anyone could see that. You had no IC reason to murder someone for standing next to a weapon that is yours who YOU assuming is stealing it without speaking to the person.

I DID assume it was friendly fire until you literally ran up to me and began dragging the grenade launcher. It was my main weapon, and I was geared up to use it against the pred or any large xenos that we would encounter. And, not to mention, there was a ravager just north of us that I could have used it on, after you took off. I assumed you saw an opportunity to take it, and you did, after you shot me so I couldn't pursue you. You had a rifle in your hand, so dragging the grenade launcher seemed like a logical thing to do. As I have stated several times, my perspective was and is still that you literally shot me and looted me before running away. About a minute after we killed you, the predator showed up and I used that very grenade launcher to kill it dead.

[Varnock]

Alright so this is what I found when checking the logs.

Noize was indeed shot by you twice while you were trying to hit a runner, and they did indeed come kill you afterwards. The OTHER DD involved, however, had never been hit by you before, and just opened up on you when Noize did. If requested I can post them as evidence, but it spans a good sized area and only shows what I say here.

I am also disappointed in you both for speaking not a word to each other before or after any of the shooting. HOWEVER, Noize, I do believe you should have been the bigger person here since you didn't die from it right off and could have sought medical attention. Sudden murder, wordless at that, is not something that should happen here at all.

[Fitchace]

Thanks Varnock for checking

[forwardslashN]

I am also disappointed in you both for speaking not a word to each other before or after any of the shooting. HOWEVER, Noize, I do believe you should have been the bigger person here since you didn't die from it right off and could have sought medical attention. Sudden murder, wordless at that, is not something that should happen here at all.

I was literally dying. I had an emergency medical bag on me, which is the only reason I lived long enough to die on the pod. But I will apologize to Flitchace in how I handled this, and like I said, I regret that this took place.

[Varnock]

My opinion on this being an IC issue stands, but the other DD sniperkillsujm, deserves this report for having no reason to shoot Carson.

Also, Fitch, you should do us all a favor and try to save the marines you shoot outside of mutinies.

[freemysoul]

Firstly that Trailmod WAS me, Secondly the logs showed you attacked the ERT first then the runner, then the ERT team again. I wrote this off as a IC issue because it was.

Thank you Varnock for clarifying this issue.

[Fitchace]

How can you write this off as an IC issue when its clear that the bullet missed the intended target twice hitting a friendly. Also accidentally friendly fire does not warrant cold blooded murder, and the Dutches Dozen are not a hostile ERT.

[Feweh]

Someone will look into this shortly.

[Allan1234]

Notes for refernce

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 Threw someone into disposals because he "wanted to get arrested by the MP". Was warned not to do it again. by () on Wed, August 26th of 2015 

Went down to the planet and started fighting aliens as a Researcher. by () on Sun, August 30th of 2015 

Banned from Corporate Liason - As Liason "Sabotaged" T-comms to get an evac. Do not remove this ban without talking to Apophis by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Mon, September 7th of 2015 Remove

Sabotaged T-comms, given 2 day ban and Perma from liason by () on Mon, September 7th of 2015 

As a larva, said "I am reborn. It's me." I pointed out to him that aliens don't remember their past lives when they burst. by () on Sun, September 13th of 2015 

Stole people's IDs as the CL to "bribe them". Warned not to do it again. by () on Mon, September 28th of 2015 

Decapped and ate people on the Sulaco to prevent cloning. by () on Sun, November 8th of 2015 

On November 23rd: Actions as CO contributed to an Alien Victory, using fuel tanks as explosive countermeasures that damaged marine barricades. Given a warning regarding Command Roles, and should be considered for a jobban if it becomes a recurring problem. by () on Thu, November 26th of 2015 

Used /me to trick aliens into thinking he broke out of his nest.Multiple Times by () on Tue, February 2nd of 2016 

Has been pretty much doing his own thing as a CL, numerous times he doesn't contact WY and just heads planetside. Warned to stop. by () on Mon, February 15th of 2016 

Was warned for using lethal force (shooting at) against MP who in his opinion flashed and attempted to cuff him for no reason. by () on Wed, March 16th of 2016 

As far as im concernd this is an IC issue. You shot (accidently) a merc who cares for nothing but killing, then without a word promtly dragged his gun away. the mercenary team assumed you attacked him on purpose and promptly gunned you down for it.

Based on your actions (shooting then taking the gun without a word) it is more then acceptble for the ERT to engage you for it under the assumption of being attacked.

Considering this I don't think anyone is wrong here as it's an IC issue that was delt with IC.

In extentsion a note to fitchace. Please do not make player reports after a staff member had already informed you that it was an IC issue, Doing so is useless and shows you have no care for the word of staff. If you disagree with them make an admin complaint.

[TR-BlackDragon]

From what I see. Enough parts aligned with eachother to make this a valid ic situation. In the future if your going to drag away a gun make sure you say something about it.

Resolved.

Will lock in 24 hours