Time to report Whistles

[Neray]

Your Byond Key: Neray

Your Character Name: Werner Diels

Their Byond key: Whistles

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 09:50?

Description of the incident: Whistles banned CO midround (2 hours in) for placing this pic from CM wiki in his announcement after too many marines were screaming that they "can't find %building_name%". Pretty sure it's not CO's fault that we don't have a proper map item. Plus almost every round one of admins posts this pic in OOC.

My issue with it is that banning an important role such as CO for "OOC in IC" (while it totally isn't) as Whistles called it is really damn wrong. Also it's called badmining.
Basically he ruined our whole chain of command by doing so.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

DEAD: MOD(Whistles) says, "Anyways people. always a pleasure, complaints are to the right in the forum if you feel one needs to be made."

[Butterrobber202]

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Whistles did what was needed for the round, Boris (CO) had meta-gamed and told the marines the layout of the Underground before this, (Which Marines don't know about) According to the Ghosts I was listening to he also had the Marines set up defensive at all the Ladders and Shafts before 1 marine went down there to see what it was.

[Bleep234]

Hahahaha no.

The CO was fucking Powergaming and OOC in IC, He announced to destroy all of the tunnels without a fucking clue of what was in them, then he blatantly used OOC communication in IC communication, posting a link over announcements.

If you can't recognize what your commander did was wrong, you need to review the rules again.

While I acknowledge Whistles banning the CO midround was wrong...

He had to do it because the CO was a metagaming/powergaming motherfucker.

You can't deny this.

Evidence: http://puu.sh/q72mF/86c35b5666.png
wiki/images/1/18/Map_icecolony.png

[MrJJJ]

Uh, he setted up defenses after the survivors reported to him what happened and destroyed the tunnels after being told by survivors they are used by aliens, and can we please wait untill the round is over?

[Bigchilly]

I was in this round, I dont see how this is a real problem but the whole banning of the CO is dumb. He should of been let off with a smack of the wrists or marine banned for like a round or something. I don't see how this is wrong since mostly all the marines had no idea were they were going, and all the maps are of Lazarus. It would help if there was a actual Admin notice, with the map or something. This could of easily been avoided.

Edit: Usually defenses are always set up at the ladders, this is a normal thing, I've not seen ladders with no defenses before.

Edit edit: Funny when you get a competent commander and he gets banned midround

[Neray]

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Whistles did what was needed for the round, Boris (CO) had meta-gamed and told the marines the layout of the Underground before this, (Which Marines don't know about) According to the Ghosts I was listening to he also had the Marines set up defensive at all the Ladders and Shafts before 1 marine went down there to see what it was.

First of all, we had 2 SLs reporting him about ladders non-stop. Aliens surrounded em all with huggers from round start, so it's not our fault that it was an obvious ambush. He never said anything about Underground other than what SLs were reporting. Order to weld elevators came from recon party in southern engineering after they barely escaped death down there.

This map from wiki will soon be added as in-game item and you can clearly see ladders on it, not talking about shafts, cause only blind can miss em.

According to the Ghosts I was listening to

> salty dead alien ghosts
> good source of information

Edit edit: Funny when you get a competent commander and he gets banned midround

One of the best commanders we had in last few days.

[Butterrobber202]

>Dead Marines
>Good Source of information

[Helgraf]

This is gonna be a super salty topic, im gonna go now to avoid the worst of it.


EDIT: -1 Whistles did waht he had to do but he could have waited till the end of the round maybe.

[bloody russkie]

Arright, lets make it straight.
First : If i had my fancy OOC button turned on i could post links of map so people stop asking where to go, because we still dont have map item.
Second : all info about ayylmo i got from survivors, so its yer problems xeno, that you let em live and tell whats skeletons in your lockers such as huggers, underground lab with hostile xeno, what tunnels are for.
Third : i seen a CO guy before that posted link in IC with redacted map to tell which squad do what and such and he was just fine. Sorta " map loading on your HUD", whats the problem with it.
Fourth : i know i have shit history of bans and warnings but i dont make links to scam sites or some crap, those 2 links was regarding CM and CM only.

[Whistle]

1st. Notes were the deciding factor.
2nd. If someone is deemed to be punished, I do not feel it a good idea to put it off.

I can not comment upon someone else doing it therefore it being ok for you as I was not there nor am I able to comment on what staff were or were not there.

[Feweh]

Whistles clearly did his job, it's not up to the community to decide who gets banned and what for. The argument here seems to be that the round was screwed over because "The commander was banned mid-round". Being in certain roles does not exclude you from bans/job-bans, if you break rules you'll still be banned.
Also, the player banned has specific notes on his accounts which lead to his immediate banning. Players can't see the notes of other players accounts, so you don't know how many warnings/bans they previously had.. we do. This probably would of been a light warning/ban however this player has NOTORIOUSLY bad notes/bans on his account, he's basically out of warnings.


So Whistles actually did his job and properly banned the player as per special notes on his account.
However, appealing the ban is a whole other situation which Fert would need to do.
Report resolved.

Report will be moved in 24hours.

[apophis775]

After investigating, here's the situation:

1. It was OOC in IC to give the map link. he could have requested admins to post it, or working a better Ic way in.
2. This specific player has a pile of notes for the last month. (including some from me)
3. Based on the notes and our standard actions, there was no violation here.

Unfortunately, this is a case of the players recent actions coming full circle to bite him in the ass. What can happen, is that if someone does some shit-tier things over a period of time, then they don't have as much space for forgiveness when they do something minor, because notes typically have information about future actions. It's unfortunate that it can affect when they aren't being a total powergamer, but that's the risk you take when you play as a powergamer in the past.

For reference, these are his powergame/metagame notes, which is why this instance resulted in a stronger punishment:

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Filled around two or more shotgun shell boxes with Mags for other guns. Warned and asked to empty them and took me threatening to ask a highermin for permission to deleat the boxes before he complied. by XXX on Wed, October 7th of 2015 Remove

Warned about senseless murderboning as a Xenomorph, even if they "have enough larvas". by X XX on Sun, January 17th of 2016 Remove

Warned about hacking as a Standard by XXX on Tue, January 19th of 2016 Remove

Warned not to do surgery as a marine by XXX on Tue, February 16th of 2016 Remove

Warned about fixing generators as non engineer - specialist, nonetheless. by XXX on Mon, February 22nd of 2016 Remove

Stole a ID from a SL as a survivor near end round. Was warned previously by CJ to drop the ID and to cut it out. Banned for 24 hours due to previous note history on constantly being warned. by XXX on Fri, February 26th of 2016 Remove

Melted mining gear at roundstart, warned about metagaming. b yXXX on Sat, March 26th of 2016 Remove

Warned for transporting monkies in lockers. by XXX on Mon, April 4th of 2016 Remove

Vent Crawled in ORs to melt only the Operating Tables. Warned for metagaming. by XXX on Mon, April 4th of 2016 Remove

Severe powergaming/metagaming as a marine on a cargo tug. Drove around killing monkies. 2 days, recommending next one be more severe.. Possibility for perma by XXX on Tue, May 10th of 2016 Remove

Created an All access ID for themselves, Warned. If they produce ANYMORE jobban on the spot. by XXX on Tue, June 21st of 2016 Remove

Banned by XXX | Duration: 1440 minutes | Reason: Griefing - Murdered an MP why was trying to detain him because he thought they were a griefer. by XXX on Sun, July 10th of 2016 Remove

Banned by XXX | Duration: 10080 minutes | Reason: Posting links through announcements as CO. As per XXX notes, player has been banned for seven days. by XXX on Tue, July 19th of 2016 Remove

Also note, that is excluding about 6-8 other notes for unrelated to powergaming rule breaks such as murdering people, stealing Ids, and other rule violations.


When you act like a shitter, you get punished like a shitter.