ROE on first contact

[GrimdogX]

:This post is mainly me asking about clarification for first contact, in other words when Marines and Aliens meet for the first time, this is also my first time using the forums so I apologize if this post is somewhat a mess.

:I've seen people get chewed out for certain actions regarding this and have also been yelled at for "meta" actions regarding first contact, or in other words marines instant killing what they would see as "Wildlife" with extreme prejudice without survivor briefing.

:This thought has come to me a bunch after being called a "Meta fag" for shooting on first contact and after experiencing it on the Alien side, Most recently a more trigger happy marine ran as fast as he could towards medical dome as soon as they landed and fired a sadar tube into me as an alien, and then chased me down and murdered me. While this didn't bother me at first I realized it was first contact for the marines and remembering myself getting yelled at in LOOC and told off by a mod for it I wanted clarification on what the rules, if any exist, are for first contact. In my eyes I can only believe that it comes down to the individual or the Marine play style of that round but since being told contradicting things about this I am now unsure, I've heard admins say things about "Meta rushing" and would ultimately like clarification as to what all of that is about.

:I hear conflicting things all the time from different people and just wanted to make this post to clear it up, is it ok for Marines to lob HE ordinance into wildlife without any prior form of warning? and is it ok for them to chase "wildlife" across the river immediately after first contact?

[Renomaki]

Unless you were a tier 3 alien, I don't know why anyone would use a SADAR on what I'm guessing was, what, a runner? That is just a waste of ammo and a clear display of desperation to get a kill in for the K/D.

But yes, the metarush is a heavily debated thing here. While the marines aren't supposed to know, players are fully aware that the longer you wait, the stronger the aliens get, which in turn means it'll be impossible to defeat them after awhile... So some marines are known to "rambo" the moment they see an alien, chasing it down and doing everything they can to kill the fuck outta it, even if it means deserting his squad and possibly getting hugged in the process, making it all a waste.

Marines want to win as much as the aliens do, but due to how the rules are set up, it can make things a tad.. Complicated at times. Depending on the actions of the marines or xenos, it can get really fuzzy... Sometimes it is justified due to xenos making their presence known too rapidly in their rush to win, other times the marines rush the river for no logical reason and end up causing drama. Sometimes you could have situations where it seems legit but be considered metarushing according to the staff. And don't get me started on the debate on wither it is fair for aliens to be allowed to rush out of their caves or underground lab to spread weeds and eggs everywhere in the Nexus or other locations or not.. I find it very cheesy, but apparently the staff aren't bothered by it. I'll never understand it myself.

[GrimdogX]

In the most recent game I spoke of I was a Boiler, however I was a Boiler walking away from the marines when I guess one spotted me in the corner of his screen, I'm not sure who the guy was but he instantly ran from Nexus to where we were in medical Sadar blasted me then finished me with a rifle. Though this post isn't about that specific game it did annoy me slightly, while I fully understand seeing a lizard that size and going "holy shit" I can't imagine it's not meta to violently chase down said lizard with heavy ordinance and then assault our nest 10 minutes later, No staff member has even been clear with me on this subject and it seems like a lot of other people are confused too here's hoping it gets cleared up.

[Joe4444]

The rules of engagement for the marines is don't fired unless fired upon. I can see why marines make an exception for scary ass alien and them being the only thing around except for some blood and guts and things. I'd say can fire at em but not chase em down. The whole "meta rush" thing has been going on a lot lately and its mainly due to xenos running right to the hive when they have marines on them thus leading to marines calling more marines across the river to help flush out the xeno hiding In the caves

[Boltersam]

*Runner is going around the jungle and acting curious towards Marines like any predatory animal would.*

*Marine shoots Runner*

*Runner slashes Marine*

"WILDLIFE HOSTIIIIIIIIILE, IT'S FOKKEN HOSTIIIIILEEEEEE!"

I get it, if you shoot a scary looking predator to try get it to leave you alone, but if it defends itself, and you say it's hostile, then there's a problem.

[Desolane900]

*Runner is going around the jungle and acting curious towards Marines like any predatory animal would.*

*Marine shoots Runner*

*Runner slashes Marine*

"WILDLIFE HOSTIIIIIIIIILE, IT'S FOKKEN HOSTIIIIILEEEEEE!"

I get it, if you shoot a scary looking predator to try get it to leave you alone, but if it defends itself, and you say it's hostile, then there's a problem.

Bears and sharks attack people in the wild. People report bears and sharks as being dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. B-But that's a problem, right?

On a more on topic note, I don't mind staff taking care of metarushing, I mind when it's biased against the marines no matter what. Like one round a squad of xenos seiged a fob early in the game then retreated to the hive while being followed by about a dozen marines. The marines were being told to leave the hive alone and stop attacking it. This strikes me as heavy bullshit and it shouldn't be a thing since a runner can rush the dropship as soon as it lands and farm the SSD on it with no repercussions.

I understand the bias towards xenos is intentional but when does it cross the line from understandable to rage inducingly unfair?

[Logi99]

Before the Greytide happened. No marines ever shot on first contact. Aliens wouldn't do harm unless they realized they can be hosts. This may be an issue due to the amount of greytide playing CM. Those people don't need to yell but they are right, don't shoot on first contact. These creatures are unknown. They're not animals listed on anything.

[Renomaki]

Before the Greytide happened. No marines ever shot on first contact. Aliens wouldn't do harm unless they realized they can be hosts. This may be an issue due to the amount of greytide playing CM. Those people don't need to yell but they are right, don't shoot on first contact. These creatures are unknown. They're not animals listed on anything.

There is also the paranoia of being ambushed and robusted that probably causes marines to shoot the first Xeno that shuffles through the darkness as well. When you play round after round after round, after awhile you get a bit metaparanoid, knowing that the xenos are out there somewhere, stalking you, huggers in claw and ready to pounce and ruin your perfectly good helmet 2 minutes upon landing, because they had done that a few times before.

I myself try my best to avoid shooting xenos on sight, but sometimes when they get too close... Yeah, I'm probably gonna pop a cap in your direction if you try anything. I still haven't forgot the time when I was coming into the Nexus and got hugged by a runner hiding under crates.. We had only landed a minute ago that time, and already was being ambushed.. So of course I'm not going to be too trusting of xenos to resist the urge to rambo themselves.

[GrimdogX]

I didn't expect so many reposts, I really only made this hoping to hear clarifications but it's neat to see all the different opinions on this. Marine "Meta rushing" and early killing is not the biggest thing that upsets me, if anything it's Marines retreating later in the round with about 30 men left and turtling the Sulaco, I'm not a super old CM player myself obviously but I would like to see more of the staff choose "Balance" over "Immersion" if that makes any sense.

[Boltersam]

Bears and sharks attack people in the wild. People report bears and sharks as being dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. B-But that's a problem, right?

They also do it unprovoked, a predator the size of a Runner would typically only go after smaller creatures, it's the size of a dog, so think alien squirrels and the like. Sharks and bears are larger, and sharks in particular can smell blood in the water, which makes them more likely to attack.

Marines won't apply this logic, but still, if you provoke wildlife, they're not exactly hostile. Would a dog be declared hostile if it bit a marine after the marine in question kicked it?

[Desolane900]

They also do it unprovoked, a predator the size of a Runner would typically only go after smaller creatures, it's the size of a dog, so think alien squirrels and the like. Sharks and bears are larger, and sharks in particular can smell blood in the water, which makes them more likely to attack.

Marines won't apply this logic, but still, if you provoke wildlife, they're not exactly hostile. Would a dog be declared hostile if it bit a marine after the marine in question kicked it?

Personally if I saw anything bigger than a groundhog in the wild it would get a .22 in the ass to know I'm not lunch, but that's just me.

[Boltersam]

Personally if I saw anything bigger than a groundhog in the wild it would get a .22 in the ass to know I'm not lunch, but that's just me.

Personally, if I saw anything as big or bigger than a dog, I'm getting my ass outta dodge. Wild animals usually don't go near large groups of humans, though.

[hawkshot86]

I've taken to calling the lizards a possible infestation. Generally I think marines would consider the wildlife a possible cause for the colony being wrecked. Also marines should totally be allowed to respond to any threats with both force and extreme prejudice. If an alien is dumb enough to run straight to the hive with a squad of marines in tow than it's a boon for the marines and a mistake on the aliens. Gonna be a quick round, which is fine by me. For some reason everyone is afraid of rounds ending to fast...

[Desolane900]

I've taken to calling the lizards a possible infestation. Generally I think marines would consider the wildlife a possible cause for the colony being wrecked. Also marines should totally be allowed to respond to any threats with both force and extreme prejudice. If an alien is dumb enough to run straight to the hive with a squad of marines in tow than it's a boon for the marines and a mistake on the aliens. Gonna be a quick round, which is fine by me. For some reason everyone is afraid of rounds ending to fast...

Honestly, that annoys me to no end. What's wrong with a fast round? Do the staff think fast rounds will become a trend because Mature Tardo (357) lead the marines right to the underdeveloped hive? It wouldn't surprise me.

[Renomaki]

Honestly, that annoys me to no end. What's wrong with a fast round? Do the staff think fast rounds will become a trend because Mature Tardo (357) lead the marines right to the underdeveloped hive? It wouldn't surprise me.

It is a really controversial thing about the aliens I find. Aliens get salty out the wazoo the moment marines cross the river earlier than expected, but at the same time find no problem in rushing the marines right back, and rarely get punished for it. Far too many times have I landed on the surface only to find that the landing pad and Nexus was covered head to toe in weeds. I also recall the one time I had a queen AS a xeno that decided that instead of setting up her nest in the caves, where it is safe and far from human interaction, she decided she wanted more action and ordered her hive to build a nest in the Medbay/Hydro.. It was a very hectic, brief round if I recall, that to my surprise ended with an alien minor, if only because the marines weren't prepared for alien combat so soon.

The sad part is the reason aliens get away with metarushes like this is often due to the fear of losing the server's xeno-mains. It was said that there was about... 10 xeno mains in the community. That is a surprisingly small number compared to all the players who go out of their way to play marines. While there are still many players who play as xenos, most of them are drafted into it, not out of their own will, due to the servers need to have round start xenos.. Lots of people also have xeno turned off, which makes it all the harder to ensure a proper starting force of xenos, which means that the server is constantly at risk of collapsing into itself. Without Xenos, we don't have an enemy to fight, and without an enemy to fight, you might as well not call it Colonial Marines.

I always found this ironic compared to other servers, where people would BEG to have xenos as a gamemode.. Although in vanilla, space station staff aren't as loaded as marines, and very often get curb-stomped into paste by a xeno infestation should one get out of control before they stop it.

[Desolane900]

It is a really controversial thing about the aliens I find. Aliens get salty out the wazoo the moment marines cross the river earlier than expected, but at the same time find no problem in rushing the marines right back, and rarely get punished for it. Far too many times have I landed on the surface only to find that the landing pad and Nexus was covered head to toe in weeds. I also recall the one time I had a queen AS a xeno that decided that instead of setting up her nest in the caves, where it is safe and far from human interaction, she decided she wanted more action and ordered her hive to build a nest in the Medbay/Hydro.. It was a very hectic, brief round if I recall, that to my surprise ended with an alien minor, if only because the marines weren't prepared for alien combat so soon.

The sad part is the reason aliens get away with metarushes like this is often due to the fear of losing the server's xeno-mains. It was said that there was about... 10 xeno mains in the community. That is a surprisingly small number compared to all the players who go out of their way to play marines. While there are still many players who play as xenos, most of them are drafted into it, not out of their own will, due to the servers need to have round start xenos.. Lots of people also have xeno turned off, which makes it all the harder to ensure a proper starting force of xenos, which means that the server is constantly at risk of collapsing into itself. Without Xenos, we don't have an enemy to fight, and without an enemy to fight, you might as well not call it Colonial Marines.

I always found this ironic compared to other servers, where people would BEG to have xenos as a gamemode.. Although in vanilla, space station staff aren't as loaded as marines, and very often get curb-stomped into paste by a xeno infestation should one get out of control before they stop it.

One round long ago a queen made a nexus hive before first contact. I'm sure some space hippie would still cry about shooting on sight though. Not sure if they were even punished for it aside from getting shreked by a boatload of rines.

[Renomaki]

One round long ago a queen made a nexus hive before first contact. I'm sure some space hippie would still cry about shooting on sight though. Not sure if they were even punished for it aside from getting shreked by a boatload of rines.

Goodness, that is awful..

Maybe one day the staff will try to set up some ground rules for xenos so they don't end up getting too much of an advantage too soon.. Expansion is a part of being a xeno, but expanding beyond the caves before the marines even touch down is a tad pushing it..

[Desolane900]

Goodness, that is awful..

Maybe one day the staff will try to set up some ground rules for xenos so they don't end up getting too much of an advantage too soon.. Expansion is a part of being a xeno, but expanding beyond the caves before the marines even touch down is a tad pushing it..

Just being a xeno is an advantage.