Add back succumb.

[TeknoKot]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Aliens have lately been slashing hosts to critical whilst hugged+stunned and dragging them into the hive, where they then can't resist at all because lol pain-crit. This is literally fucking stupid and doesn't make sense if you want a host that's completely healthy for a larva. Aliens already got resin cuffs to prevent knife slashes or whatever to the head.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):

Encourage aliens to make their choice, either they kill the host or not, instead of leaving them to die slowly or stuck in pain crit for "shits and giggles" because larva will pop out anyways, they've already got resin cuffs to prevent suicides(if you're going to use "but they suicide" excuse".

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):

coding?????

additional bonus:

[Jroinc1]

Someone's salty. How bout no.
-1 Either you'll die of your wounds if they're THAT bad, or you won't, and aliens used THEIR RIGHTS TO SLASHING properly.

I also see you have a SADAR there.
That's a one-hit KO on up to tier 2's.
How bout we remove THAT because it makes some xenos salty?
Get what I'm saying?
BOTH sides have "unfair" strats available to them.

[TeknoKot]

Someone's salty. How bout no.
-1 Either you'll die of your wounds if they're THAT bad, or you won't, and aliens used THEIR RIGHTS TO SLASHING properly.

I also see you have a SADAR there.
That's a one-hit KO on up to tier 2's.
How bout we remove THAT because it makes some xenos salty?
Get what I'm saying?
BOTH sides have "unfair" strats available to them.

I'm very certain there's a rule about "not slashing defenseless hosts", that is if they haven't attacked or anything. Runners usually drag marines and then when a marine gets infected already, start slashing them for shits and giggles, then nesting.



SADAR has nothing to do with giving xenos a free bonus larva from a host that can't resist/or get up anyways, you have crushers to fuck specialists with SADARs if they move around a lot to dodge WP/AP, HE is useless against them.

You do not slash a host that you want to pop out a healthy larva, paincrit is ridiciliously long.

edit:: you also have fucking resin cuffs, use them.

[YungCuz]

Its gonna be like this forever sitting in a nest with paincrit while more salt occurs beyond the resin doors of solitude as you slowly wait for your death.

[Kevinthezhang]

if you're stuck in paincrit in an alien nest your round as a marine is over and you might as well ghost.

I don't see why you have to stay in your body while you're perpetually stuck in paincrit; ghosting is always there as the "easy way out".

Succumbing denies aliens a precious larva (that they deserve if they managed to get you alive to a nest) and is basically the exact same function as ghosting.

[Jroinc1]

He wants to succumb so he can be cloned AND deny a larva, I think. That seems like the intent.

[TeknoKot]

if you're stuck in paincrit in an alien nest your round as a marine is over and you might as well ghost.

I don't see why you have to stay in your body while you're perpetually stuck in paincrit; ghosting is always there as the "easy way out".

Succumbing denies aliens a precious larva (that they deserve if they managed to get you alive to a nest) and is basically the exact same function as ghosting.

Ghosting doesn't do anything as a bonus larva will still pop out easily, just because you can't use resin cuffs/put a sentinel to watch hosts, marines have about 20% chance of breaking out if either of those are used, it doesn't mean you just need to slash a defenseless host and then nest it.

He wants to succumb so he can be cloned AND deny a larva, I think. That seems like the intent.

I don't know if you're just acting like an idiot, because you'll get devoured by an alien anyways. You're denying a larva as a punishment for xenos who are literally dumb for slashing defenseless, good hosts.

[IAMMagikarp]

Then everyone would just succumb instead of bursting and aliens would never get new larva unless the xenos didn't damage hosts at all.


-1

[Jroinc1]

Ghosting doesn't do anything as a bonus larva will still pop out easily, just because you can't use resin cuffs/put a sentinel to watch hosts, marines have about 20% chance of breaking out if either of those are used, it doesn't mean you just need to slash a defenseless host and then nest it.
I don't know if you're just acting like an idiot, because you'll get devoured by an alien anyways. You're denying a larva as a punishment for xenos who are literally dumb for slashing defenseless, good hosts.

OI. SHIPMATE. Devouring dead marines was recently removed because 'rines complained about it being unfair. It's been gone at least a week now. You didn't know this?

[YungCuz]

The new meta is gibbing all the bodies now so they technically got around that.

[Printer16]

I support this only if you can only succumb in crit if you 1. Aren't infected and 2. Don't have a facehugger on your face

[Joe4444]

Then everyone would just succumb instead of bursting and aliens would never get new larva unless the xenos didn't damage hosts at all.


-1

that's the entire point of this thread...you can't succumb unless your in paincrit from slashing.

[TeknoKot]

Then everyone would just succumb instead of bursting and aliens would never get new larva unless the xenos didn't damage hosts at all.


-1

You only succumb if you're stuck in paincrit, unable to stand up at all and move, do I also have to tell you how long it takes before you actually die? You can't succumb if you're STILL fine and can move around. This is to prevent cancerous xenos who enjoy slashing in nests sometimes as well because "well durhur the host can totally escape so why not abuse the shitty paincrit system and get a bonus player!!11"

-snip-

You can literally just ask the queen to gib marines or move the bodies further away for space.

[SPACEpotato1]

You only succumb if you're stuck in paincrit, unable to stand up at all and move, do I also have to tell you how long it takes before you actually die? You can't succumb if you're STILL fine and can move around. This is to prevent cancerous xenos who enjoy slashing in nests sometimes as well because "well durhur the host can totally escape so why not abuse the shitty paincrit system and get a bonus player!!11"
You can literally just ask the queen to gib marines or move the bodies further away for space.

Yes, yes, then it's 'OH THE QUEEN METAGAMED ME BY GUTTING ME AND THE DEAD MARINES'

Glorious.

On a less douche note, just ghost? What's the issue with ghosting?

It's not that bad, guys.

It really isn't.

[Eenkogneeto]

Personally as a alien I just acid splash once or twice. Full paincrit without nasty broken bones or bleeding to deny you a host!
Especially useful as a prae where you only need to splash them once at any point, such as when they resist.

Semirelated note: Neurotoxin gas is litearlly useless for this, All it does is OD you so you pop slower, doesn't even keep you from escaping or getting up. Boiler worst nestguard of all t3s

[Jroinc1]

Also... Can't you still call your squad even if paincrit? Can't THEY save you? Isn't that one of the medic's main jobs?

[Eenkogneeto]

Also... Can't you still call your squad even if paincrit? Can't THEY save you? Isn't that one of the medic's main jobs?

Well due to how tunnels are basically teleporting, You can find yourself literally completely across the map through several layers of hive and surrounded in sticky resin and doors. Aka, unlikely to be saved because you can't even guess where you are even using metaknowledge.

[Jay Burns]

Also... Can't you still call your squad even if paincrit? Can't THEY save you? Isn't that one of the medic's main jobs?

I ain't running into the middle of a hive to save your arse.

[Jroinc1]

I ain't running into the middle of a hive to save your arse.

[TeknoKot]

Also... Can't you still call your squad even if paincrit? Can't THEY save you? Isn't that one of the medic's main jobs?

"hey medic dumbass just go north of caves and treat my wounds, its not like im supposed to die with all these wounds on me already and pop out a bonus player- i mean, larva"

[Sarah_U.]

A boiler double-sprayed me 3 days ago while I was standing still interacting with a xeno as infected. I wen't into pain crit while the entire hive thought I was trying to kill someone and 2 runners began to slash me. Fortunately I survived, but the damage INCREASED the pop timer... So in short, I was stuck with waiting an entire hour for getting a burst and that because xenos decided it was a wise choice to lethal an infected host that was cuffed, unarmed and stuck in a 6x8 room without exits.

Having a succumb to punish xenos when you're paincrit loosing consciousness FREQUENTLY would be a good thing. +1

PS: Brb, gotta try to rescue my squadies in NE cave since they say they're wound-- *goes silent, a head rolling down the barrens*

[Jroinc1]

"hey medic dumbass just go north of caves and treat my wounds, its not like im supposed to die with all these wounds on me already and pop out a bonus player- i mean, larva"

Okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
You sound like a permarine who wants the best of both worlds, SPECIFICALLY to both prevent xenos from gaining larva AS IS THEIR RIGHT FOR CAPTURING YOU, AND wants to retain the ability to be cloned. This sounds extremely selfish.

You SHOULD have an entire squad to try and rescue you, and you can still talk, and you know where you are in the pic. Talk to them?

Xenos are ALSO played by players. Maybe they saw the host with the boomstick and decided that they didn't like the idea of you having 21-23 min to fight out and try to instakill them with your SADAR.

XENOS ARE ALLOWED TO USE SLASHING, if you are NOT nested. If you WERE nested, ahelp it, that's illegal. Slashing IS risky for xenos, as I believe the burst time is 25 min AND marines can get internal bleeding, external bleeding, and infected wounds, but if I saw you as a xeno, I'd slash the SHIT out of you to get dat boomstick off the field. We aren't stupid, IC or OOC, and once you one-shot the first t2, expand takes a secondary priority to "STOP THAT GUY WITH THE FUKIN BOOMSTICK".

The medical system we have graciously allows you to remain out of crit up to -25% hp. Makes marines tough to kill.

How about we lower the threshold to 0% HP? 'rines die quicker now IN GENERAL. No? Okay... how about we make bleeding more deadly, or infections more quick? NO? Okay... yeah.

Suggestions like this are why I'm glad that suggestions in general are being ignored and unimplemented by staff, but, in fairness, I WILL give you one already existing workaround currently in code.

Head to the researcher before you leave. He can make chemical implants. They hold... 30u I believe? Fill one with 15u tricord and 15u tramadol. Have him implant it, OR borrow the CL's implanter. Deathgasp to trigger it. There. You're out of permacrit.

[TeknoKot]

Okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
You sound like a permarine who wants the best of both worlds, SPECIFICALLY to both prevent xenos from gaining larva AS IS THEIR RIGHT FOR CAPTURING YOU, AND wants to retain the ability to be cloned. This sounds extremely selfish.

You SHOULD have an entire squad to try and rescue you, and you can still talk, and you know where you are in the pic. Talk to them?

Xenos are ALSO played by players. Maybe they saw the host with the boomstick and decided that they didn't like the idea of you having 21-23 min to fight out and try to instakill them with your SADAR.

XENOS ARE ALLOWED TO USE SLASHING, if you are NOT nested. If you WERE nested, ahelp it, that's illegal. Slashing IS risky for xenos, as I believe the burst time is 25 min AND marines can get internal bleeding, external bleeding, and infected wounds, but if I saw you as a xeno, I'd slash the SHIT out of you to get dat boomstick off the field. We aren't stupid, IC or OOC, and once you one-shot the first t2, expand takes a secondary priority to "STOP THAT GUY WITH THE FUKIN BOOMSTICK".

The medical system we have graciously allows you to remain out of crit up to -25% hp. Makes marines tough to kill.

How about we lower the threshold to 0% HP? 'rines die quicker now IN GENERAL. No? Okay... how about we make bleeding more deadly, or infections more quick? NO? Okay... yeah.

Suggestions like this are why I'm glad that suggestions in general are being ignored and unimplemented by staff, but, in fairness, I WILL give you one already existing workaround currently in code.

Head to the researcher before you leave. He can make chemical implants. They hold... 30u I believe? Fill one with 15u tricord and 15u tramadol. Have him implant it, OR borrow the CL's implanter. Deathgasp to trigger it. There. You're out of permacrit.

Succumb is EXACTLY just killing a marine who is suffering from HEAVY pains and is stuck IN paincrit. You're outraged because most xenos are literally so dumb to think on how to capture live hosts and keep them secured, so you slash them to near death knowing how shitty paincrit mechanic is and run off. Xenos were banned before for slashing defenseless hosts(marines whose' huggers already infected), only because STAFF saw it, they can't prove most incidents because all logs do is SHOW mostly attacks.

As of again, you're saying "aliens can kill cus durrhurr not in nest, then end up wounding you to near death because fuck you dont get up gib free larva player loool", whilst I have to point you to the exact fucking rule again, "NO SLASHING DEFENSELESS HOSTS"

You either TAKE the host or KILL the host, hugger combat is cancerous already.

Oh and again, SADAR has nothing to do. You're saying you'll slash the shit out of me for having it, THAT'S OKAY IF YOU'D ACTUALLY KILL ME, INSTEAD OF GAINING A FREE BONUS LARVA BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO PAINCRIT AND RUN OFF.

[ShortTemperedLeprechaun]

I'm going to plus one it, because when it was around, it didn't seem that bad. It was a fair way of having xeno's try not to pain crit someone for eternity (Which happens more than one might thing), and it was incentive to actually keep the hosts healthy and safe. Also hand chewing isn't a thing anymore, so they can't cheese a succumb with that, since it's nigh impossible to do now.

[Godzillan]

Succumb is EXACTLY just killing a marine who is suffering from HEAVY pains and is stuck IN paincrit. You're outraged because most xenos are literally so dumb to think on how to capture live hosts and keep them secured, so you slash them to near death knowing how shitty paincrit mechanic is and run off. Xenos were banned before for slashing defenseless hosts(marines whose' huggers already infected), only because STAFF saw it, they can't prove most incidents because all logs do is SHOW mostly attacks.

As of again, you're saying "aliens can kill cus durrhurr not in nest, then end up wounding you to near death because fuck you dont get up gib free larva player loool", whilst I have to point you to the exact fucking rule again, "NO SLASHING DEFENSELESS HOSTS"

I can tell you that when I slash a host I don't think "oh man i'm gonna send this dude into paincrit and get a free bonus larva", I'm more thinking "alright I'm either going to kill this guy or keep him out of the fight for a while" and the situation you're describing seems like more of the exception than the norm. I certainly haven't seen anyone clearly doing it with paincritting in mind but then again I primarily play the Sentinel caste so I can't really get into the mind of Young Runner (728).

Also I'm still confused what a "free bonus larva player" is supposed to be. What makes it a free bonus larva as opposed to just a larva that bursted from a facehugged host?
Regardless this could be alright, I don't remember succumbing feeling broken or anything so I'd be open to see how it'd work now. At the same time though what's wrong with ghosting?