Predators (Yautja)

User avatar
SecretStamos (Joshuu)
Registered user
Posts: 1291
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 12:32
Location: Stars & Stripes

Predators (Yautja)

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 01 Feb 2015, 01:24

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Add a third faction, Predators to the game. A group (2-4) of Predators will occasionally be added to the round. They're hostile to both the aliens and the marines. Predators have been a huge part of the Aliens universe ever since the first crossover, and I honestly believe it would be wrong if they didn't get included one way or another.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):

Predators would bring a lot of variety to the game. They would easily draw in a lot of people, and their inclusion would make rounds with them a lot more interesting for everyone involved. They're a huge part of the series and I think they would make a great addition to the server.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):

Predators would probably operate a lot like space ninjas from the base game. They should have invisibility, a mask and claws by default, and should be given a set amount of telecrystals to spend on optional gear. Predators should be unable to use guns (their hands do not fit the triggers), but their gear should also not be useable by humans. Predators should also have a bag for storing decapitated heads and trophies.

Default items:
Claws: Can't be disarmed. Can decapitate marines if aimed for the head. Moderately powerful and very reliable, but somewhat outclassed in damage and utility by some other weapons.
Mask: Lets the Predator see through walls, blocks facehuggers, provides protection and imitate human voices for distractions.
Cloaking Device: Allows the Predator go invisible. Allows them to sneak up on unsuspecting targets and kill them in melee. Probably not an item, but an ability.

Additional items:
Combi-stick: Telescopic baton in spear format, can be stored when retracted easily. Doubles as both a good melee weapon and a powerful javelin.
Plasma Caster: Strong energy cannon, takes a long time to recharge. Strongest weapon a Predator can get, but costs significantly more than most other items.
Laser Mines: Hard to see and very powerful. Downside is that, unlike most weapons, the mines are not reusable.
Remote bomb: Predator can detonate a powerful explosive to kill himself and his enemies around him. Used as a last resort and prevents his weapons from falling into the hands of the Marine scientists. Basically an amped microbomb implant?
Net-Launcher: Traps enemies under a net and stuns them. Used for preventing enemies from escaping and makes them vulnerable to melee attacks.
Smart-disc: Thrown weapon, maybe some way to make it target the closest enemy?
Glaive: Two-handed polearm, does a lot of damage in melee.
Other potential weapons could include the scimitar, the spear-gun, a plasma pistol or a whip

Lastly, it should be said that a Predator cannot kill an unarmed or defenseless human. Predators cannot communicate with humans, but could possibly form an alliance with them under certain circumstances. If the aliens manage to infect a Predator with a facehugger, the larva that bursts could evolve into a Predalien.

Predators should never allow themselves or their equipment fall into enemy hands. Other Predators should try their best to recover or destroy the remains of their fallen allies.



Practically all the icons were done for Predators in late October. However, I'm working on revising some of them. The plan is to have several different styles of armor so that not all Predators look alike. Here's an example of what Predators could look like in game.

Image
Last edited by SecretStamos (Joshuu) on 02 Feb 2015, 17:01, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
apophis775
Host
Host
Posts: 6985
Joined: 22 Aug 2014, 18:05
Location: Ice Colony
Byond: Apophis775
Contact:

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by apophis775 » 01 Feb 2015, 01:35

The issue, is that, they were "ghetto-rigging" predators to use them in-game before. If we want predators to be PROPERLY implemented, I need the same sprites as a human (with all the possibile limbs missing). Othewise, it will just be another ghetto rigging to make them work.

also, this won't be in for awhile...

User avatar
SecretStamos (Joshuu)
Registered user
Posts: 1291
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 12:32
Location: Stars & Stripes

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 01 Feb 2015, 01:54

Limbless sprites are no issue.

Predators will definitely be a lot of work, but I think they'd be an excellent addition to the server eventually.
Last edited by SecretStamos (Joshuu) on 01 Feb 2015, 01:54, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
coroneljones
Registered user
Posts: 1350
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 12:46
Location: SPESS!

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by coroneljones » 01 Feb 2015, 07:02

Also,Maybe Give them the "Honor Code" in their notes to make sure they dont break it,maybe they should need to follow it to "win"
Such as,Killing people while cloaked.
Harming Defences/unarmed Prey(As Joshuu already said)
And others.
If you dont have your old Pred sprites,i still have the gear and such with me,so just PM me or something if you want them
I am Crornel Jrones, grorious admin of Coronial Mahreens. U ar arr nast Trorr and will be ding dong bannu. U critizize Xenos? Ding dong Bannu. U no rike grorious adminnu? Ding dong Bannu. U comrpain about Marine nerfs? Dingdong bannu. U comprain about grorrious adminnu? O yoo betta bereev dat's a bannu. It has come to my Grorrious attention dat nasty trorr has been imidatingu me on serveru, dis is a shamfrul dispray and unacceptaboo so dey ding dong bannu. End of Rine -----------------Rine ends here.'
-Credit goes to SovietCyanide
Image Image

danielharper
Registered user
Posts: 3
Joined: 19 Jan 2015, 16:27
Contact:

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by danielharper » 01 Feb 2015, 07:11

From my point of view, give them a clear mission too, else it just becomes one big murderfest. Mostly likely targeted against marines since they are slower and easier to catch.

Could take the missions from the comics; capture alien queen. Maybe just Assassinate person X or alien X. I would love the story and the addition of the yautja, but would hate if it just becomes aimless murder of marines or aliens :)

They would work very well in a marine vs rebel thing, then blood sport is equal fun.

As a last note, tho it would need coding i suppose. They should have a 6x6 tile radio jammer ? to keep the mystery that they are in the round a little longer :P

User avatar
Nalsur
Registered user
Posts: 56
Joined: 18 Oct 2014, 23:37
Location: Estonia

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by Nalsur » 01 Feb 2015, 08:42

Obviously if this gets green-light it will be awhile until we see it in game. But as long as it's done properly and is somewhat balanced both by mechanics and PRED SPECIFIC Rules. It would indeed make an amazing addition to the game-mode. Though about the Pred Group size. I think it should be 1-3/4 rather than 2. Yautja are often hunting solo, it's a sport after all. They only band together on important clan affairs or if the prey they are after is very dangerous and/or numerous. And tbh Xenomoprhs albeit most favoured is not the most dangerous prey a Yautja hunter can face.

Also that would mean that the more predators there are in a round the more challenging their objective must be.
Last edited by Nalsur on 01 Feb 2015, 08:44, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
LordLoko
Registered user
Posts: 830
Joined: 16 Oct 2014, 13:35

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by LordLoko » 01 Feb 2015, 12:41

Now I want a marines vs aliens vs predators vs WY PMC

User avatar
MrGabol100
Registered user
Posts: 636
Joined: 06 Jan 2015, 17:12

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by MrGabol100 » 01 Feb 2015, 15:49

LordLoko wrote: Now I want a marines vs aliens vs predators vs WY PMC
Versus khan men and rebels.

User avatar
LordLoko
Registered user
Posts: 830
Joined: 16 Oct 2014, 13:35

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by LordLoko » 01 Feb 2015, 15:55

MrGabol100 wrote: Versus khan men and rebels.
Vs wizard.

User avatar
Minimike
Registered user
Posts: 205
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 15:54
Location: US - NY

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by Minimike » 01 Feb 2015, 19:00

Vs Commander Volax.

Pretty sure we're already working on dis though. Might be wrong?
Last edited by Minimike on 01 Feb 2015, 19:00, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
UnknownMurder
Registered user
Posts: 2243
Joined: 15 Dec 2014, 08:03
Location: Ascension

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by UnknownMurder » 01 Feb 2015, 20:13

We're working on it. Bugs has to be fixed first, which is the deadline for today for Apophis.

User avatar
Rovernic
Registered user
Posts: 77
Joined: 24 Dec 2014, 20:06
Location: New Jersey, USA
Byond: rovernic
Steam: rovernic

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by Rovernic » 02 Feb 2015, 03:10

This should also be heavily monitored. Being that individual Predators are very strong, anyone breaking IC with it would need a swift job ban as, given the powers and descriptions, someone playing this right could easily off an entire squad or two of marines.

Perhaps they should be white-listed if they prove too powerful?

Things to consider, in the future.
"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam." Either find a way, or make one.

User avatar
xomega000x
Registered user
Posts: 89
Joined: 01 Feb 2015, 21:39
Location: Romania
Byond: xomega000x
Contact:

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by xomega000x » 02 Feb 2015, 03:27

I've actually wanted to see some Predators, so the Marines aren't completely alone in the fight...
99% of Marines at breaching training...




Image





Ghetto surgery Is best surgery!

User avatar
UnknownMurder
Registered user
Posts: 2243
Joined: 15 Dec 2014, 08:03
Location: Ascension

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by UnknownMurder » 02 Feb 2015, 08:00

Marines aren't alone. There's aliens and Khan.

User avatar
Caryl
Registered user
Posts: 259
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 13:47

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by Caryl » 02 Feb 2015, 09:34

Vs Lieutenant Caryl.
Death, is just another part of life.

Image
ImageImageImage

User avatar
SecretStamos (Joshuu)
Registered user
Posts: 1291
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 12:32
Location: Stars & Stripes

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 02 Feb 2015, 10:41

Rovernic wrote: This should also be heavily monitored. Being that individual Predators are very strong, anyone breaking IC with it would need a swift job ban as, given the powers and descriptions, someone playing this right could easily off an entire squad or two of marines.

Perhaps they should be white-listed if they prove too powerful?

Things to consider, in the future.
Honestly, I don't think that will be nearly as big as an issue as you think. Predators still mostly have to kill their targets in melee, and their honor code prevents them from doing a lot of things.

You're also forgetting that Predators cannot kill defenseless enemies. If the Predator kills a marine while the marine is still fighting, that is considered an honorable kill. But if the marine is alive, wounded and unarmed (and poses no threat), the Predator should ignore him and continue on. The same goes for any marines trapped in resin.

Predators, as a third faction, are not meant to have the same raw power as the Marines or the Aliens. They're not designed to match either side in direct combat at all. Sure, they'll be tough, but they wont be outright killing machines. They can be quickly killed through facehugging if they lose their mask, the marines can fend them off by sticking together, and their cloaking field can be foiled if the marines have a motion tracker.
Last edited by SecretStamos (Joshuu) on 02 Feb 2015, 12:08, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
MrGabol100
Registered user
Posts: 636
Joined: 06 Jan 2015, 17:12

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by MrGabol100 » 02 Feb 2015, 15:24

SecretStamos(Joshuu) wrote: Honestly, I don't think that will be nearly as big as an issue as you think. Predators still mostly have to kill their targets in melee, and their honor code prevents them from doing a lot of things.

You're also forgetting that Predators cannot kill defenseless enemies. If the Predator kills a marine while the marine is still fighting, that is considered an honorable kill. But if the marine is alive, wounded and unarmed (and poses no threat), the Predator should ignore him and continue on. The same goes for any marines trapped in resin.

Predators, as a third faction, are not meant to have the same raw power as the Marines or the Aliens. They're not designed to match either side in direct combat at all. Sure, they'll be tough, but they wont be outright killing machines. They can be quickly killed through facehugging if they lose their mask, the marines can fend them off by sticking together, and their cloaking field can be foiled if the marines have a motion tracker.
You can make the honor code basics as a loyalty implant or AI basic laws, they get stated at round start and they can also appear in notes.

Then everything you said about the game mechanics, the tracker, the mask and other engagements, it's just how i feel it should be implemented, i think this is just a bit of respriting and resizing of human characters along with ninja objects again reskinned... Love this!

User avatar
HyperPwner
Registered user
Posts: 84
Joined: 28 Jul 2014, 19:13
Location: South Wales, UK
Contact:

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by HyperPwner » 02 Feb 2015, 16:43

I want this. A lot. As in I will play CM more often.
Best quote on Warframe:
We are spess ninjas, fear us, bitches!
Image

User avatar
Rovernic
Registered user
Posts: 77
Joined: 24 Dec 2014, 20:06
Location: New Jersey, USA
Byond: rovernic
Steam: rovernic

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by Rovernic » 03 Feb 2015, 03:36

SecretStamos (Joshuu) wrote: Honestly, I don't think that will be nearly as big as an issue as you think. Predators still mostly have to kill their targets in melee, and their honor code prevents them from doing a lot of things.

You're also forgetting that Predators cannot kill defenseless enemies. If the Predator kills a marine while the marine is still fighting, that is considered an honorable kill. But if the marine is alive, wounded and unarmed (and poses no threat), the Predator should ignore him and continue on. The same goes for any marines trapped in resin.

Predators, as a third faction, are not meant to have the same raw power as the Marines or the Aliens. They're not designed to match either side in direct combat at all. Sure, they'll be tough, but they wont be outright killing machines. They can be quickly killed through facehugging if they lose their mask, the marines can fend them off by sticking together, and their cloaking field can be foiled if the marines have a motion tracker.
I know what you mean, but I'm talking about players who break that honor code. That will need to be watched. People who ignore that entire part of the roleplay make the role very dangerous.
"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam." Either find a way, or make one.

User avatar
UnknownMurder
Registered user
Posts: 2243
Joined: 15 Dec 2014, 08:03
Location: Ascension

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by UnknownMurder » 03 Feb 2015, 08:07

Marines will just pull out a gun and find a way to backstab a predator.

User avatar
LordLoko
Registered user
Posts: 830
Joined: 16 Oct 2014, 13:35

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by LordLoko » 03 Feb 2015, 08:39

SecretStamos(Joshuu) wrote: You're also forgetting that Predators cannot kill defenseless enemies. If the Predator kills a marine while the marine is still fighting, that is considered an honorable kill. But if the marine is alive, wounded and unarmed (and poses no threat), the Predator should ignore him and continue on. The same goes for any marines trapped in resin.

It actually would be fun to meta-abuse the honor code.

"Oh shit, a predator" *thows away gun* "I'm disarmed, you can't kill me. Go kill some xenos, bye."
My name is Ulysses Skyfall, but people call me "Meat".
Check out my dossier page

Image
Image

Image

I don't play CM, currently in a break.

User avatar
coroneljones
Registered user
Posts: 1350
Joined: 15 Oct 2014, 12:46
Location: SPESS!

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by coroneljones » 03 Feb 2015, 11:44

Well if they atleast shot him once he would go full rampage mode on said marine....Or show hostile intentions (Like Weyland during AVP1)
I am Crornel Jrones, grorious admin of Coronial Mahreens. U ar arr nast Trorr and will be ding dong bannu. U critizize Xenos? Ding dong Bannu. U no rike grorious adminnu? Ding dong Bannu. U comrpain about Marine nerfs? Dingdong bannu. U comprain about grorrious adminnu? O yoo betta bereev dat's a bannu. It has come to my Grorrious attention dat nasty trorr has been imidatingu me on serveru, dis is a shamfrul dispray and unacceptaboo so dey ding dong bannu. End of Rine -----------------Rine ends here.'
-Credit goes to SovietCyanide
Image Image

User avatar
HyperPwner
Registered user
Posts: 84
Joined: 28 Jul 2014, 19:13
Location: South Wales, UK
Contact:

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by HyperPwner » 05 Feb 2015, 11:37

Make predators CM's Space Ninja.
Best quote on Warframe:
We are spess ninjas, fear us, bitches!
Image

User avatar
xomega000x
Registered user
Posts: 89
Joined: 01 Feb 2015, 21:39
Location: Romania
Byond: xomega000x
Contact:

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by xomega000x » 06 Feb 2015, 01:52

And this Is where admins should start doing their job.

[Not implying they don't do It, but sometimes they really Ignore some things.]
99% of Marines at breaching training...




Image





Ghetto surgery Is best surgery!

User avatar
LordLoko
Registered user
Posts: 830
Joined: 16 Oct 2014, 13:35

RE: Predators (Yautja)

Post by LordLoko » 06 Feb 2015, 08:12

coroneljones wrote: Well if they atleast shot him once he would go full rampage mode on said marine....Or show hostile intentions (Like Weyland during AVP1)

[video=youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=fp9DHzgr758[/video]
My name is Ulysses Skyfall, but people call me "Meat".
Check out my dossier page

Image
Image

Image

I don't play CM, currently in a break.

Locked