Improper Conduct with an Improper Ban

[Yacobpo157]

Your Byond ID: Yacobpo157

Character Name: Jacob Stone

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Timed Ban

Admin who banned you (if known): Warnipple

Total Ban Duration: Three Hour

Remaining Duration: Two hours and roughly thirty minutes.

What other servers do you play on? N/A

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them? Refer to previous answer.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): Reason: grief lead to the indirect death of a player over petty items (HUd sunglasses and a secuirty bandolier). Or something along those lines, I can't copy and paste the message but that's the gist of it.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): First, I didn't even want that security whatever, sec colors clash with Delta Squad B18, I don't find it tasteful to have. Now I get that this is a three hour ban, and to not appeal those (or less) but this was legitimately unjustified and unfair. You see, in a previous round, I was shot by an incen slug by an XO and he leaves me to die. I thin kit was intentional, and slc says nothing is going o be done, no rule break there. I'm a tad pissed, but I move on. This round, a marine tries to steal from me, insults me, and tries to take something I was wanting, so I flash and cuff him. He resists, so I window him. Albeit a bit liberal in force, it is an IC issue, so as I'm dragging him out so he can have a nice chat with our SL, both of us being Delta blue berries, Nexus get's attacked. He resists as I pull via grabbing him, and he cucks off to the north like a moron! I don't see him, and I think he'll be fine as several marines were there. I mean, if he stayed, I was going to set him free after the Sl has a talk with him. Thought he was new to the game so it'd be a nice learning experience anyway as I'd never heard nor seen of him before. Well ten minutes pass and Warnipple boinks me for indirect grief. Him apparently getting killed was out of hands, and was caused by something I did with IC justification. As without the cuffs he would've continued to try and disarm me. And if someone trying to grief on high pop with tons of staff on sounds as moronic as it oes to me, let me explain a tad more,

1.) I already ahelpred twice about baldie MP's having lethals at round start before boarding, it was handled quickly and a mentor even said he was calling in for more help due to the large amount of people online. So why would I intend to break rules when I know I'd get caught almost immediately? Wouldn't that be a thing for sixty player low pop or when staff isn't on? Doesn't quite make sense, at least to me, sounds pretty STUPID, DON'T YOU THINK?

2.) If the round already showed incompetent marines, and this guy seemed to at least RP well, why would I want to kill him when I'd need him to deal with, icly "whatever caused the colony to go dark", and OOCly to deal with so many xeno's we were having? Again, doesn't seem very prudent now does it? Kind of setting yourself up for failure and a bad time.

3.) As I already said previously in my little rant here, if in the previous round someone indirectly led to my death without IC justification as the threat had passed in a previous round, yet something out of my control and aided by IC justification get's someone killed, I should be banned for it even though anh malice against the player in question would be illogical and idiotic? Just a tad vapid, don't you think?

4.) I was banned before I could even finish defending myself, let alone strip in my prep and cryo for the next player. Now once my SSD body is done being looted and shove into cryo, the next Spec that joins is going to have a shite round late joining and not even having Spec gear. Pretty inconvenient for that person, not fair to them either. So what kind of standard does that set when you don't have a platform to explain your side of the story and those who do worse then you have no action taken against them. What kind of place would that be, unfair and unjustified treatment of the community where people get banned without the whole story? Not the kind of community I though CM had.

Please, prove me wrong. Provide valid testimony against my claims.

Speaking of this being a three hour ban and to not ahelp those (or less) as per Feweh's post, Genltefood recommended I do so with the context of the situation when I asked for his opinion on the matter.

As always, have a good one, enjoy the game.

[Snypehunter007]

-Well, you are doing this in the wrong section first of all. This is more of a staff complaint than a appeal.
-Second, you didn't post the reason for the ban.
-Thirdly, if you read the topic that is in bold letters in the Ban Appeals section it says, "DO NOT APPEAL 3 HOUR (OR LESS) BANS.

So without even reading the topic of this, with the above-stated facts, I am going to ask someone to close this. You can post a STAFF COMPLAINT if you wish to discuss the procedure in which Warnipple decided your punishment.

Edit: You just now put the ban reason in.

[Gentlefood]

-Well, you are doing this in the wrong section first of all. This is more of a staff complaint than a appeal.
-Second, you didn't post the reason for the ban.
-Thirdly, if you read the topic that is in bold letters in the Ban Appeals section it says, "DO NOT APPEAL 3 HOUR (OR LESS) BANS.

So without even reading the topic of this, with the above-stated facts, I am going to ask someone to close this. You can post a STAFF COMPLAINT if you wish to discuss the procedure in which Warnipple decided your punishment.

I was the one who recommended he post a ban appeal rather than an admin complaint. As this incident is potentially more a mistaken ban than Warnipple deliberately being malicious.

[Warnipple]

Well since most of the situation was left out, I'll explain the investigation I went through. I did this pretty thoroughly.

Yacobpo (Jacob Stone) and another marine also by the name of Jacob were fighting over two items. A security bandolier and HUD sunglasses. According to prints, the griefed player (henceforth known as Jacoob) was the one to open the locker first, not that it matters.

Both Jacobs were there and a fight ensues over the items. Yacobpo promptly uses the flash in the security locker and flashes Jacob and cuffs him. He then throws him into a wall/window twice. Afterwards, Jacob is killed by Xenos and he was cuffed so he couldn't pull out his rifle and defend himself.

Yacobpo claimed that he would've defended Jacob and he ran towards Xenos instead of towards you however you were actively assaulting him so I see reason to why he ran away.

I investigated this and came to the conclusion it was indirect grief by Yacobpo. His actions indirectly resulted in the death of another marine. Marines shouldn't be fighting over petty items like that and there was an excessive amount of force for proper escalation. As Jacob's body was irretrievable and deep into enemy territory and thus had to sit this round out, I thought you should too.

In a PM you sent me, you admitted to mugging him for stealing from you when those items belong to no one.

[Yacobpo157]

Well, if you read the post, Gentlefood told me to post this, not only that but it was an improper ban. Not only that, but I DID post the reason to the ban. So no, please do NOT ask someone to close this as it has not been resolved. Thanks.

[Yacobpo157]

Well since most of the situation was left out, I'll explain the investigation I went through. I did this pretty thoroughly.

Yacobpo (Jacob Stone) and another marine also by the name of Jacob were fighting over two items. A security bandolier and HUD sunglasses. According to prints, the griefed player (henceforth known as Jacoob) was the one to open the locker first, not that it matters.

Both Jacobs were there and a fight ensues over the items. Yacobpo promptly uses the flash in the security locker and flashes Jacob and cuffs him. He then throws him into a wall/window twice. Afterwards, Jacob is killed by Xenos and he was cuffed so he couldn't pull out his rifle and defend himself.

Yacobpo claimed that he would've defended Jacob and he ran towards Xenos instead of towards you however you were actively assaulting him so I see reason to why he ran away.

I investigated this and came to the conclusion it was indirect grief by Yacobpo. His actions indirectly resulted in the death of another marine. Marines shouldn't be fighting over petty items like that and there was an excessive amount of force for proper escalation. As Jacob's body was irretrievable and deep into enemy territory and thus had to sit this round out, I thought you should too.

In a PM you sent me, you admitted to mugging him for stealing from you when those items belong to no one.

You see, if you read posts three and four, someone who left ME to die, IE indirectly killing me, had not had action taken against him. But in this situation I got boinked for something that was out of my hands, partially caused by something that was ICly justified. Also, the flash is found next to a flashbang in security on the reinforced tables there, not in the sec locker.

[Feweh]

You need to seriously cool it. Since you started playing again you've been causing a lot of issues.

Furthermore, do NOT apoeal 3 hour bans.

Im getting a little tired of you constantly causing issues.
I wont speak to you again about any future probations.