Outlaw decompression as a form of execution

[RoswellRay]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):Remove decompression as an execution option from marine law.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): Executing by this manner is one of the fastest routes to piss of marines into wanting your blood.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Decompression should really not be an execution emthod in the first place,executions for the last many hundreds of years ahve been perfected specifically to be quick and painless. Hanging,electrocution,lethal injection, guillotine are all designed to make the death sentance a DEATH sentance not a TORTURE sentance. A man can remain concious for 15 seconds in space according to the sources I can find,that is not a good or humane way to go at all.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Remove decompression as a valid execution type,nice and easy.

[TheSpoonyCroy]

going to say 15 seconds isn't long and any forms of "lethal injections" in ss13 are pretty messy. We even have firing squads which I have seen numerous times (in game of course) got botched with the person having to be shot multiple times, not so painless... So yeah -1 since really none of executions follow the line of the logic of Quick and painless (I can say the quick part is true but painless not so much...)

[RoswellRay]

going to say 15 seconds isn't long and any forms of "lethal injections" in ss13 are pretty messy. We even have firing squads which I have seen numerous times (in game of course) got botched with the person having to be shot multiple times, not so painless... So yeah -1 since really none of executions follow the line of the logic of Quick and painless (I can say the quick part is true but painless not so much...)

15 seconds of CONCIOUSNESS well over several minutes to die. Lethal injection is designed to knock you out fast with minimal pain,firing squad irl is meant to destroy the heart causing instant unconciousness from blood pressure loss regardless of game mechanics,hanging in the proper way is mathmatically calculated using body weight,height,etc to cause a quick snap and instant unconciousness when they drop, and beheading is obvious,electrocution shuts down the brain in a split second.

[RoswellRay]

I'm not opposed to more execution emthods being addes that are quick.

[Casany]

Noah Kirchner once survived 2 full syringes of the lethal injection chem. it doesn't work. Infact, this is the only RELIABLE way to kill someone

[RoswellRay]

Well shit,new suggestion then. Execution options that aren't incredibly cruel or just plain not reliable.

[Jroinc1]

But how else will inept MP's and CO's be able to kill themselves DURING the execution?

[NoahKirchner]

-1 really easy to escape perma and space the CO AND an MP with this method and only baldies use it. My favorite trick right behind /me'ing a deathgasp after a firing squad and killing the CO/ escaping the morgue once they bring me down

[completelynewguy]

Eh, why not add in a minor step that is something along the lines of, "Sedate the prisoner before executing, as to spare them from pain from such a punishment"?

Also, when can the lethal injection be replaced with an OD of QC?

[Tristan63]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):Remove decompression as an execution option from marine law.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): Executing by this manner is one of the fastest routes to piss of marines into wanting your blood.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Decompression should really not be an execution emthod in the first place,executions for the last many hundreds of years ahve been perfected specifically to be quick and painless. Hanging,electrocution,lethal injection, guillotine are all designed to make the death sentance a DEATH sentance not a TORTURE sentance. A man can remain concious for 15 seconds in space according to the sources I can find,that is not a good or humane way to go at all.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Remove decompression as a valid execution type,nice and easy.

You call hanging painless? You can break your neck, or be stuck hanging for around 1.10 minutes with no air, and collapse many of your internal organs till you loose brainfunction.

[forwardslashN]

I'd say getting shot to death with a firing squad isn't very humane either.

[NoahKirchner]

Eh, why not add in a minor step that is something along the lines of, "Sedate the prisoner before executing, as to spare them from pain from such a punishment"?

Also, when can the lethal injection be replaced with an OD of QC?

Lethal injection can be done by any chemical using any method if injection if my interpretation of the rules is correct. Makes me wonder why CO's use the big needle that takes forever and inject soporific so the prisoner like NEVER dies as opposed to soporific, acid and some phoron

[Warnipple]

Lethal injection can be done by any chemical using any method if injection if my interpretation of the rules is correct. Makes me wonder why CO's use the big needle that takes forever and inject soporific so the prisoner like NEVER dies as opposed to soporific, acid and some phoron

The lethal injection is more of put the condemned to sleep so you can space him properly because he'll run around in that little room if you don't.

I have to say though. Making them walk the plank spacing them is the must humane way of executions.

[RoswellRay]

You call hanging painless? You can break your neck, or be stuck hanging for around 1.10 minutes with no air, and collapse many of your internal organs till you loose brainfunction.

There's a formula for hangings using body weight and height and shit to ensure the neck snaps quickly without snapping the rope or tearing the head clean off. This sometimes was ignored by cruel lawgivers but for the most part people get thier impression of hangings from movies which have them kicking and struggling because it makes for a better scene.

[RoswellRay]

I'd say getting shot to death with a firing squad isn't very humane either.

If even half the bullets hit the sudden drop in blood pressure will knock you out instantly,maybe not in ss13 but my point is until we get a form of execution that's not fucked up I'm going to keep insighting rebellion against command each time a man is put to death by suffocation because Ic that's jsut fucked up levels of evil. The point being a lot of you seem to be lookign at this from the OOC perspective, but In real life would you have much faith in a command staff that puts people to death in cruel and unusual means? If executions have to happen the purpose should be death not torture.

[Neray]

https://youtu.be/u1TN8Xb_RcM

[NoahKirchner]

There's a formula for hangings using body weight and height and shit to ensure the neck snaps quickly without snapping the rope or tearing the head clean off. This sometimes was ignored by cruel lawgivers but for the most part people get thier impression of hangings from movies which have them kicking and struggling because it makes for a better scene.

I believe it's 12 or 13 knots on the noose to snack the neck if it's tied properly.

[Doc]

Most, if not all, of the opposition to this suggestion seems to stem from OOC issues regarding how Byond and Space Station handles death- which is to say, messily. And in those terms, yes, decompression is probably the simplest and, possibly, most 'humane' way. ICly, however, the USCM and particularly the officers involved in carrying out the executions would almost certainly be executed themselves for war crimes! Because ICly, that's absolutely horrible.

I have to agree with the other suggestions of sedation before execution, as it takes both IC and OOC problems into account, and reliably solves them both. Besides, we already have anesthesia drugs on the ship en-mass, this seems like a reasonable use of them.

[NoahKirchner]

Most, if not all, of the opposition to this suggestion seems to stem from OOC issues regarding how Byond and Space Station handles death- which is to say, messily. And in those terms, yes, decompression is probably the simplest and, possibly, most 'humane' way. ICly, however, the USCM and particularly the officers involved in carrying out the executions would almost certainly be executed themselves for war crimes! Because ICly, that's absolutely horrible.

I have to agree with the other suggestions of sedation before execution, as it takes both IC and OOC problems into account, and reliably solves them both. Besides, we already have anesthesia drugs on the ship en-mass, this seems like a reasonable use of them.

Nah man fuck that if I'm CO and need to execute a prisoner I'm giving them lithium, mercury, sulphiric acid, an OD on kelotane, russian red and some fucking phoron and kekesimus maximus'ing to the fucking grave. Chemicals are fun to inject into people in ss13 and THAT'S MY ONE CHANCE TO DO IT ON BAYSTATION CODE. DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME SAMANTHA.

[Doc]

Add it in the execution guidelines, but only as "Recommended" procedure, then.

[Eenkogneeto]

One time command let me handle the execution as a RSR.
One time.
They still have nightmares.

[NoahKirchner]

Add it in the execution guidelines, but only as "Recommended" procedure, then.

Fair 'nuff. I'm not really big into execution via decompression anyways (or at all I don't wanna remove someone from the round) so I have no real stake in this. I've only ever been spaced once (and then landed on the planet, killed a marine while hitting the medbay, got brought back up, came back alive and was arrested again where I exploded into gibs in the execution chamber and came back alive four or five times until I finally stopped) all the other times were attempted firing squads or lethal injection. Still sounds more humane to put 'em to sleep though.

[RoswellRay]

Honestly probably one of the quicker ways to kill someone ingame is a harm intent point black buckshot to the head, but again ic while quick it would be a horrible sight and very messy.

[Crab_Spider]

Noah Kirchner once survived 2 full syringes of the lethal injection chem. it doesn't work. Infact, this is the only RELIABLE way to kill someone

Those "Lethal Injections" were actually full of water, and then the CO realized he fucked up.

[NoahKirchner]

Those "Lethal Injections" were actually full of water, and then the CO realized he fucked up.

No, he got me with two /real/ ones too but he never fully injected me (different round) and I ended up robusting him and escaping perma after beating him fucking senseless (almost killing him because he forgot to cuff me) and then talked my way out.